Lovely 1DS has a whole red and white splodge of about 12 dead pixels.
Nice!

Adrian

I didn't realize you have this camera. I hope you're a CPS member?

Had it for a couple of months.
I am from today. Will send the camera in when I go on vacation in a couple of weeks.
Grrrr

One of mine went in last Thursday because the shutter stoped working. I was shooting lifestyles tethered then I took if off the camera stand to do some flash blurs . . . set the shutter to 10th and poof . . . stopped working.

Hey Adrian,

I know you have a Cambo Wide DS, but would you consider getting one of THESE?

It looks like Sinar is shooting themselves in the foot with the exclusion of other backs though. And I'm sure it will cost a small fortune like anything with their name on it. Anyone want to buy a Sinar F haha.

I would recommend a Gottschalt over that Sinar, though to be far I would imagine Sinar gives much better support. Seriously though, the Cambo system is very nice. Another alternative would be an ALPA.

I just read all 7 pages (currently) HERE and it sounds better then the options you suggested.

For the handling, I think the arTec looks better.
And its the first build on purpose archi-type cam with a digiback - somehow giving back the potential of 4/5 :-)

They' ve build 3 prototypes so far, so we can speculate with the tecnical data, only:

IMO, it depends much on the lenses, as this is crucial for the wides - even more, when shiftet. That's physics, nobody can walk arround that.

Doing flatstitches is easy with it, therefore using 3 frames of a slight wide angle, with less of the UW-related problems.

Making the math:
A flatstitch with the 28 mm gives a 115 x 65-deg-FOV, theoretically, but because the lenses image circle has 70 degs, its 90 x 65 deg, only. Comparable to a 65 mm on 4/5'...


The Leaf AFi backs can be monuted, too, whatever that means...

Here's the first pdf:


http://www.image2output.com/user_res...inar_Artec.pdf

Silvestri have been making a few cameras that offer similar movements, and more mounting options in lenses and backs. However, I agree with the statement about limited shift movements, and that applies to tilt movements too. Until the sensor cover glass and microlenses become better, light beyond a certain angle will continue to cause some colour fringing.

A 6x6 ground glass is not nearly as easy to use as a 4x5 ground glass, and these are mostly 6x6 (or slightly larger) cameras. Anyway, they will clearly get the job done, if the specifications provide what you need. The best camera is one which does not get in your way, which is why we have so many choices in gear.

Gordon

I had, a while ago, a look at the Silvestri; but somehow, it looked like a toy...

I've only handled one Silvestri, and it seemed a bit odd, though on a tripod I don't think it would be too strange to use one. The ALPA line is the best looking of all these, though few of us purchase gear based upon how it looks. I doubt I could ever just use one camera for everything, unless my work became super specialized.

Oh . . . I am working on building a camera currently. The prototype is functioning now, and I have done a little testing. Still a long way to go, but when you have access to a machine shop, then making your own solution is easier.

Gordon
when I wrote looking like a toy, I meant, I couldn't think to use it for work; to tiny controls. It's true though, that I never tried it in real life.

There's apoint about all these db-cams: if spending that amount of money, you want to be really sure, that it fits perfectly your needs. Untill now, there wasn't one to convince me.... but I must admit, that the arTec has something pleasing to me.

And yes, it has to fit your clients needs, too; I haven't been unhappy with my 1 Ds-2, good glas, and stitching for the bigger sizes.

So what's about your home-brew-one?
Any chance to have a photo from the prototype?

I know what you mean about small controls, especially that I have large hands. Probably that is why I like using my 4x5 so much. I don't like little command dial wheels much; the bigger and heavier the camera for me, then better.

While it might be nice to have a MFDB, I find it better to rent when or if needed/requested. So far that has been rare. Clients simply want a file for each image, and not too many are concerned about what steps you took to get that file. When they can print any size to meet their needs, then they are happy with your choice of technology.

The prototype is a bit rough on the edges, due to all parts being milled from solid (6061 T-6 aluminum). So far no CAD involved, though I have another meeting with a 3D guy this week to get that sorted out. It does not look much like the finished item will look, mostly due to parts from other cameras being incorporated to make a test platform for my ideas. I am hoping to have something better soon, though to get to a working prototype has taken since October, and there is still much work to be done.

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[qb]....... Clients simply want a file for each image, and not too many are concerned about what steps you took to get that file. When they can print any size to meet their needs, then they are happy with your choice of technology.[/qb]

That's correct; but it happens too, that they want it - at the end to become bigger, than discussed at the beginning.

I just run into that, 2 monthes ago; in a longer term contract, for the building's opening, the client wanted 80 x 120 cm , meanwhile when starting shooting, they mentioned A-4 as standart size.

With the 1 Ds-2, the prints on Lamda were fine; not the client, but me, I recognised the used lens on the posters.

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The prototype is a bit rough on the edges, due to all parts being milled from solid (6061 T-6 aluminum). So far no CAD involved, though I have another meeting with a 3D guy this week to get that sorted out. It does not look much like the finished item will look, mostly due to parts from other cameras being incorporated to make a test platform for my ideas. I am hoping to have something better soon, though to get to a working prototype has taken since October, and there is still much work to be done. [/qb]

So its a shift-type for MFDB?
I still have one of these rares Sinar handy, it's sleeping...

Michael.

Cool you have a Sinar Handy!